Feminists Always Lie #190689

A common reaction when you first start to learn about men’s rights is disbelief.People often can’t believe the claims made by men’s rights activists because they are in such complete contradiction to the world view taught by the media and education system. It’s only when you actually follow the citations, read the references and check the facts that you become convinced.

 

In fact the slogan of the men’s rights movement should be “Everything you think you know is a lie”

Just to show how flagrant the disconnect between reality and the narrative is, let’s decompose a typical mainstream media piece and find out how it’s done.

A quarter of men think rape in marriage is OK?

This article in the Guardian, a respected UK newspaper, is headlined “Quarter of adults think marital sex without consent is not rape, UK survey finds”

Now this is 9 months old, but is still being linked to by feminists as proof of “rape culture”, and is still online, without any corrections (despite my having reported the falsehoods below to the Guardian).

Again, the headline explicitly says a quarter of adults think marital sex without consent is not rape. A shocking fact (if true) which supports the idea that we live in a culture which condones rape of women.

However, on closer study, it does not seem quite as clear-cut as the headline implies.

Firstly, the report was by the “End Violence Against Women Coalition” (EVAWC) – a feminist organization with an axe to grind with has a highly gendered view of violence

This page from the “End Violence Against Women Coalition” website has a number of untruths. It says of abuse online, domestic violence, genital mutilation and rape that “all these forms of abuse are committed disproportionately against women and girls”.
The reality is that:

• Men receive more online abuse (over twice as much)
• Men are about equally victims of domestic violence
• more men are raped, (about equal numbers if you exclude prison rapes) and
• far more men (over 6 times as many) are victims of genital mutilation.

Not a good sign that their report will be accurate.

For balance, the Guardian article has no quotes from non-feminist victims advocates, victims of false accusations, or male victims.

So let’s get stuck in, and fact check!

CLAIM #1

The headline says one quarter of people think marital sex WITHOUT CONSENT is not rape.

But the report the article gives a a source only asks if they “feel pressured”:

Someone can “feel pressured” and still say yes. These are two completely different things.

In fact the question implies they did consent because they felt pressured.

So this claim is simply not true

VERDICT: UNTRUE

CLAIM #2

Then the article talks of sex “without consent” in long-term relationships.

But again, the survey didn’t ask about consent. Instead it asks about a situation where they “HAVE SAID” they “weren’t up for it”.

Firstly, “have said” is a verb form (past perfect) that implies something in the past that is no longer true.

Someone can have said they don’t want sex, and no longer be saying it. In fact the phrasing implies they are no longer saying it.

EVAWC could instead have asked “even though they ARE SAYING they don’t want it”.

Why didn’t they ask that?

It’s hard to think of an answer other than they were deliberately intending to situations of women having said ‘no’ with still saying ‘no’.

Secondly, “not up for it” means “won’t enjoy it” or “not in the mood right now” not “no”. e.g. if a woman said she is “not up for it” but later says she has changed her mind, or will have sex to please her partner, this is consent.

So the Guardian claim that a quarter believed sex WITHOUT CONSENT was not rape is simply not true.

VERDICT: UNTRUE

CLAIM #3

Next there’s the claim a third of men think a woman is “asking for it [to be raped]” if she has flirted on a date:

Again, this does not match what was asked.

Again the survey used the past perfect “(had) not been” instead of asking “if they ARE not up for it” or “if they say no”.

And again, they used the ambiguous phrase “up for it” instead of “agreeing” or “saying yes”

It says the sex “happened anyway”.

Does this mean she changed her mind? Or that despite not being “up for it”, she said yes to please him? Or perhaps she said no, then later changed her mind, and then
she raped him.

These are all possible interpretations. Reporting this as the percent who think “If a woman flirts with a man, that means she deserves to be raped” is such a contrived interpretation it’s hard not to see it as a blatant lie.

VERDICT: UNTRUE

CLAIM #4

Next the article claims that ‘only’ 60% of people think secretly removing a condom was rape.

Again, this is completely different from the question that was asked.

The question was “if they have sex without a condom”.

There was no mention in the survey of removing a condom, or deceit. This is completely consistent with a negotiation in which she asks not to use a condom, then agrees to have sex without one.

The Guardian’s claim is simply just not true.

VERDICT: UNTRUE

Summary

The Guardian article contains at least 4 blatantly false statements.

Every one of which promotes the feminist narrative that most men are secretly rapists and we live in a “rape culture”.

This is not at all unusual. Every single time you find a newspaper telling a half-truth, making a ‘mistake’ or lying about gender issues it is consistently – 100% of the time – in favour of the feminist narrative.

The journalists involved are either lying or have highly selective gullibility when it comes to feminist claims.

When it comes to things you read (at least where gender is concerned), everything you think you know is a lie.

This article is also available as a twitter thread.